tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129884466436576116.post6179990732914048398..comments2024-02-14T12:43:04.624+00:00Comments on Crosswhatfields?: Not so secret history: Turning The TideSuehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07914930883748622529noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129884466436576116.post-49524072003671024312012-06-24T17:54:56.112+01:002012-06-24T17:54:56.112+01:00Hi Marmoset,
I never did anything in the end other...Hi Marmoset,<br />I never did anything in the end other than a Storify with stuff I could already find. <br />After watching the last episode I wonder if the guys Kings X pictures are available anywhere. I thought they were fantastic<br />Andy <br />Storify is <a href="http://storify.com/LSECurate/the-secret-history-of-our-streets" rel="nofollow">here</a> in case anyone is interested. I included this brilliant post.Wooglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18027287988984034648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129884466436576116.post-50211152675802373442012-06-23T03:03:04.762+01:002012-06-23T03:03:04.762+01:00I was Nick Taylor's Conservative opponent when...I was Nick Taylor's Conservative opponent when he was elected for Ladywell Ward in 1971, subsequently I was elected to Lewisham ouncil and served from 1974-82. I was opposition spokesman on Housing and well remember Nick's coach tour around Deptford. Nick is a man of great integrity, energy and determination, he fought a hard battle against the old Labour councillors from Deptford who were totally opposed to saving what they regarded as slums. A thorughly decent man who was msirepresented by the programme. Councillor Nicholas Bennett JP Conservative member London Borough of Bromley.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129884466436576116.post-36230323086087211012012-06-19T23:11:41.482+01:002012-06-19T23:11:41.482+01:00I am reasonably new to the Deptford area but I was...I am reasonably new to the Deptford area but I was interested in seeing the programme and really enjoyed it and am thankful for BBC i-player! However, the beginning of the programme spent time referring to Charles Booth's London, in which he had painted streets in different colours on his maps. The various colours referred to the wealth (or lack of wealth) what I don't understand is that for example Reginald Street which was mentioned frequently apppeared as a wealthy street but the people who lived there were re housed when it was demolished and I assume they were rehoused by the council. So di the Price family for example own their home of were they council tennants. After all a lot of the new tower blocks were not very popular and were filled up with people from lower down the social scale. Would love an answer. Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129884466436576116.post-34056878808358939062012-06-19T09:39:20.769+01:002012-06-19T09:39:20.769+01:00You can watch ' Hide & Seek' here-
htt...You can watch ' Hide & Seek' here-<br />http://wn.com/Hide_and_Seek_(1972_film)<br />Lots of slum clearance shots.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11812896897785330288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129884466436576116.post-69648256258904894782012-06-16T06:32:48.404+01:002012-06-16T06:32:48.404+01:00Creekside Centre has a few copies left I think.Creekside Centre has a few copies left I think.Suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07914930883748622529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129884466436576116.post-17509886326652995302012-06-16T06:31:17.963+01:002012-06-16T06:31:17.963+01:00You win star comment of the dayYou win star comment of the daySuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07914930883748622529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129884466436576116.post-6829649824123969632012-06-16T06:24:22.586+01:002012-06-16T06:24:22.586+01:00@Anonymous above, No! Alas have no shares in DFP, ...@Anonymous above, No! Alas have no shares in DFP, even forgot to mention them in post. I hear the price has soared on Amazon. I also hear Creekside Centre have a few copies in stock...Suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07914930883748622529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129884466436576116.post-14219654735015338602012-06-13T23:39:10.571+01:002012-06-13T23:39:10.571+01:00Are you one of the shareholders of Deptford Forum ...Are you one of the shareholders of Deptford Forum Publishing Sue ?? Set up to publish Turning the Tide ?? <br />I thoroughly agree that Nicholas Taylor was badly served - a shame considering no other council officials appeared willing to talk. <br />I remember him as a very hard working and passionately concerned representative and a real human fighting bureaucracy for others. And unless he's moved - living in a council house. Just because someone has a posh accent doesn't make them middle class ...Just think of the reverse ...all the middle classes locally feigning lower social strata accents !!<br />As for the program I thought it powerfully got across what Deptford people who were there at the time already knew and have been saying for years (long before Ms Steele discovered it) that Deptford was shafted good and proper. What was of keen interest was the discovery of missing archive record proving this...IS there any link to the missing archives taken from the New Cross library (pre_art HOuse) before it was squatted for raves ?? The story was that French people amongst the squatters had run off with irreplaceable documents on Deptford's History.....I will not mention now respectable names amongst those behind the squat..But it is itself perhaps worthy of research re: the Secret History of who is writing our history...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129884466436576116.post-2464015126351875282012-06-12T09:16:01.246+01:002012-06-12T09:16:01.246+01:00If you want a more complete and balanced picture, ...If you want a more complete and balanced picture, have a peek at the book written to accompany the series: The Secret History of Our Streets: London<br />by Joseph Bullman, Neil Hegarty and Brian Hill - I think that some of the stories that didn't make it into the programme survive there. n.b. I review the episode at http://urbanformation.wordpress.com/2012/05/30/tv-review-our-secret-streets-coming-up-on-bbc2-wednesday-6th-june-episode-1-deptford-high-street/.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129884466436576116.post-48172919314350792542012-06-11T13:58:30.656+01:002012-06-11T13:58:30.656+01:00Really interesting, Sue.
Funnily enough Jess Stee...Really interesting, Sue.<br /><br />Funnily enough Jess Steele's book is clearly now hot property. Cheapest on Amazon is now £40. Thank heavens for the library...bikepestnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129884466436576116.post-32007701583965060912012-06-11T13:37:27.871+01:002012-06-11T13:37:27.871+01:00Reginald Road was originally called Downing Street...Reginald Road was originally called Downing Street......Now there's a clearance that might gain considerable support in Deptford!shipwright's palacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11900117587967981962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129884466436576116.post-83913283179601554462012-06-09T17:24:48.891+01:002012-06-09T17:24:48.891+01:00Thanks for pointing out what Jess Steele wrote - I...Thanks for pointing out what Jess Steele wrote - I just went back to my own copy. I'd remembered that she was positive about Councillor Taylor (a man I knew slightly in the 80s & 90s due to Labour Party involvement - and I've seen once or twice in church in Deptford since) but ists interesting to go back and re-read. I'm not sure she does say quite what the programme did, there is a difference between pointing out that they demolished good houses and finding the report that says that there was no reason to destroy specific buildings that were destroyed anyway, showing that someone or other chose to act against the advice of the council officers (it might have been the senior officers of course)Ken Brownhttp://ken.wibsite.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129884466436576116.post-74765701824915034062012-06-08T23:43:12.010+01:002012-06-08T23:43:12.010+01:00Well said Fred.. I'm a blow in from Dublin - b...Well said Fred.. I'm a blow in from Dublin - but I do feel there are many more stories to be told here! PaulAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129884466436576116.post-38726312144640351842012-06-08T20:49:07.130+01:002012-06-08T20:49:07.130+01:00David and I live in Admiral St,which was part of D...David and I live in Admiral St,which was part of Deptford New Town,built in the mid 1800s,to house people away from industrial Deptford.These houses did'nt have bath rooms or inside toilets until 1970,when Lewisham council modernised them,instead of demolishing them.The occupants were given the choice of moving away to the likes of Milton Court estate or stay in the area.It became a conservation area.Many of the original families stayed.Jaime the researcher on the BBC programe came to our house and was given this information and shown a map of the High St in 1959 depicting a thriving community.My Aunt aged 92 born in Baildon St saw the TV programme and was amazed how narrow the story was and that it did'nt mention the war time bombing which accounted for a lot of the house clearance after the war.So Hitler as well as Lewisham council were responsible for the destruction of many parts of Deptford.It was an interesting but grim film.It was also not the whole story and it should have had a broader view of Deptford.This was offered to the film makers but they chose to reject it.Fred AylwardAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129884466436576116.post-42427566371085328002012-06-08T16:58:20.505+01:002012-06-08T16:58:20.505+01:00Thanks for the link to the BBC blog, worth a progr...Thanks for the link to the BBC blog, worth a programme in itself the comments are so interesting and insightful. I think the LCC may have invented institutionalised paternalism. A myth persists that people from Deptford were 'slum-cleared' to Downham in the 20s and 30s but the homes were targeted at people who could afford the rents, which were high.<br /><br />Deptford made me feel at home, particularly the market and the high street, when I moved to south London (from Fulham, believe it or not) nearly 30 years ago - and still does.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17594941038340385504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129884466436576116.post-54616789120882555422012-06-08T15:18:14.403+01:002012-06-08T15:18:14.403+01:00@Andy - Presume you've read the comments on th...@Andy - Presume you've read the comments on the BBC blog? There are lots of people who have written in who may be able to contribute personal stories and pictures…<br /><br />@Goldcat – yes! Taylor worth a programme to himself. <br />Interesting BBC blog comments – notably No. 28: Geoff Woolfe, ex-environmental health officer for Lewisham, and No.44: ex-Green cllr Mike Keogh, friend of TaylorSuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07914930883748622529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129884466436576116.post-3722985837347715752012-06-08T14:38:35.678+01:002012-06-08T14:38:35.678+01:00Voila! http://deptforddame.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/...Voila! http://deptforddame.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/bbc2s-secret-history-of-our-streets.htmlSuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07914930883748622529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129884466436576116.post-53352151656033271712012-06-08T14:37:04.137+01:002012-06-08T14:37:04.137+01:00Your point of view will always be welcome, Dame, I...Your point of view will always be welcome, Dame, I'm sure you'll find more to add and expand on.Suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07914930883748622529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129884466436576116.post-39672501286672592922012-06-08T12:09:46.841+01:002012-06-08T12:09:46.841+01:00The best post I've read so far on local blogs,...The best post I've read so far on local blogs, thanks for that.Deptford Puddinghttp://www.deptfordpudding.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129884466436576116.post-79489239891537479682012-06-08T10:45:46.018+01:002012-06-08T10:45:46.018+01:00Hi Andy,
Have you contacted the production compan...Hi Andy,<br /><br />Have you contacted the production company? (email us here - crosswhatfields@gmail.com - and we'll send you an email address for them if you need it.) They'll know better than any what material wasn't used.Marmosethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12393430738344326838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129884466436576116.post-82501037765070603692012-06-08T10:15:47.911+01:002012-06-08T10:15:47.911+01:00Very interesting.
If there was a lot of content t...Very interesting. <br />If there was a lot of content that didn't make the programme can I suggest that we use this opportunity to get it out into the public sphere? It would be a shame not to. <br />What I mean by this is pictures and video that anyone has. I would love to collect it all up and then post it on somewhere like Historpin.com (which currently has very little for the Deptford area). <br />I started making an online map last night for the series and using it to curate tweets and other interesting stuff. I may well pursue this if I have time and there is other people interested in contributing in some way. <br /><br />What do you think? Coordinate getting all the content we can together and building up an online story coming out of the programme? I'm on @AndyJack8 or here on my Gmail.Wooglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18027287988984034648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129884466436576116.post-70820733433707515022012-06-08T09:41:42.421+01:002012-06-08T09:41:42.421+01:00thank you for a considered and balanced view of th...thank you for a considered and balanced view of the programme - commentors on other blogs have done less well!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129884466436576116.post-81841782285287817212012-06-08T08:18:01.256+01:002012-06-08T08:18:01.256+01:00This is excellent Sue. Nicholas Taylor was made th...This is excellent Sue. Nicholas Taylor was made the stage villain of the piece, was he the only one who came forward or did others end up on the cutting room floor? I thought the influence of the LCC/GLC in driving these schemes through was underplayed. And if he was so 'bad' how come he and Colin Ward encouraged the self-build movement in Lewisham?<br /><br />I did quite a lot of research at LMA and elsewhere into the history of planning the huge Downham estate - the lack of gratefulness at being rehoused somewhere 'better' and the same desperate loneliness at being apart from their families, far from work and no boozers.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17594941038340385504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129884466436576116.post-54013802662534514552012-06-08T08:07:46.707+01:002012-06-08T08:07:46.707+01:00Just sitting here reading that very book in prepar...Just sitting here reading that very book in preparation for possibly writing a post, although not sure what I could add to this!Deptford Damenoreply@blogger.com